Episode 194 - Stress and Health And How It Affects Business With Jacob Wierengo
Lucas Underwood [00:00:00]:
Scott gave a. I don't know. A muskrat, maybe. Muskrats are kind of smarter than him. So.
David Roman [00:00:05]:
I mean, he doesn't know. He was new to the equipment. We weren't here to help him.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:10]:
You're such an ass.
David Roman [00:00:11]:
Is this what you do to your employees? You're like, hey, you don't know how to work this thing, and you screwed it up. You're an idiot.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:18]:
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
David Roman [00:00:19]:
I didn't know how to work it.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:21]:
Figure it out. I mean, like, what do you think? We did? We figured it out.
David Roman [00:00:24]:
Yeah, we did.
Jacob Wierengo [00:00:26]:
You push buttons until something changes.
David Roman [00:00:27]:
Yeah, you push buttons until something changes.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:31]:
Looks like he pushed buttons and didn't wait for the right thing to change.
David Roman [00:00:36]:
Yeah. He didn't know, though. That's okay. We'll figure it out. We will figure it out.
Jacob Wierengo [00:00:41]:
Fixable.
David Roman [00:00:41]:
Yeah, it should be fixable. It will be a mess because every single. If he did have it like that, every single one of his episodes will be just one block of audio, and I have to go in and snip it all out.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:56]:
Well, I guess the good thing is it shows you where the pause is. No.
David Roman [00:01:01]:
Well, there'll be a pause in that. It'll stop, and then I'll pick right back up. So I thought, like, listen to it. Because it should just be one block, one stream. It shouldn't keep recording. Does that make sense?
Lucas Underwood [00:01:15]:
Yeah, but I thought it gave you an indication that it had paused. I thought it, like, made the little mark in the file where it paused.
David Roman [00:01:21]:
I think it does. I think it does. I think it does break it up, but we'll see. I can't. Remember, it's not like the old Rodecaster. That would just chop everything up into 30 minute segments. This one will keep going, but I don't know.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:35]:
Why don't you adjust his camera? I mean, you hit record before you adjusted his camera, and the headroom's all wrong now. He could lower his chair.
Jacob Wierengo [00:01:43]:
I could do that.
David Roman [00:01:45]:
No, no, don't do that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:01:46]:
Okay.
David Roman [00:01:46]:
Don't do that. I got you. Okay. It doesn't go off any higher.
Jacob Wierengo [00:01:55]:
All right, I'll lower the chair.
David Roman [00:01:56]:
No, no, I can. I can do this. Watch.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:59]:
David says he can't get any higher.
Jacob Wierengo [00:02:02]:
Look at that.
David Roman [00:02:03]:
There you go.
Jacob Wierengo [00:02:03]:
All right.
David Roman [00:02:09]:
Perfect.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:10]:
Hey, are you gonna focus it or your eyes just that blurry?
David Roman [00:02:14]:
They are that blurry.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:15]:
Oh, look at that. Hey, check the other cameras. Make sure that nobody's kicked them.
David Roman [00:02:20]:
Yeah, I know, right?
Lucas Underwood [00:02:23]:
Oh, yeah.
David Roman [00:02:23]:
There you go. Ugly as ever.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:25]:
Yep. Chunky. As ever, too. And look at this, Mr. Slim.
David Roman [00:02:29]:
We have the cross. What are you talking about? We have the cross camera.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:32]:
Huh?
David Roman [00:02:33]:
The. The camera puts ten pounds on.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:35]:
Well, I know. I'm just saying. I'm Chunky Duncan, and you're all skinny Winnie.
David Roman [00:02:38]:
I'm not skinny Winnie.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:40]:
You're skinny Winnie.
Jacob Wierengo [00:02:41]:
Now I'm part of the chunky club right now, too. It's okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:43]:
Yeah, I'm okay being chunky. It's okay. Fun with it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:02:46]:
The food is good.
David Roman [00:02:47]:
That's because you haven't gotten your blood work back.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:49]:
Yeah, I'm gonna work on it. I'm gonna work on it.
David Roman [00:02:51]:
Well, wait till you get it back and it tells you you're gonna die.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:54]:
Yeah, exactly.
David Roman [00:02:55]:
But here's the thing. It's like. It's not the death.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:57]:
It's the misery before.
David Roman [00:03:00]:
It's the misery before death. Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:03:02]:
Is WebMD still a thing? That's where you go to find out how you're dying, right?
Lucas Underwood [00:03:06]:
Yeah, exactly. And if you search anything on WebMD, you're gonna find out you have a very, very bad condition.
Jacob Wierengo [00:03:12]:
100%.
Lucas Underwood [00:03:13]:
I don't know who in the hell was using my microphone, but they don't know what the hell they're doing. Braxton.
David Roman [00:03:20]:
Here's the thing. It turns out you probably do have that condition. It's just really hard to diagnose it. Most of the time, it's just symptoms. Yeah. Most of the times it's just symptoms. A lot of times they can't tell you definitively because it's like, hey, it's kind of a process of elimination. You have this condition.
David Roman [00:03:42]:
We can try this. How do you feel? Better. Great. Then I guess we've got it fixed. You don't feel any better. Let's try this.
Lucas Underwood [00:03:49]:
When the body is a machine, right? Like, at the end of the day, the body's a machine, and it runs on chemicals and it runs on electricity, and it runs on oxygen. Right.
David Roman [00:04:01]:
It's all chemicals.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:02]:
Yeah. And so it's just chemicals. No, it runs on electricity.
David Roman [00:04:08]:
I get it. But the chemicals that need to be there, otherwise the electricity will not be produced.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:12]:
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I mean, I'm just saying that that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:04:15]:
Process of elimination, sometimes doctors are like, well, let's try spark plugs.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:19]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:04:19]:
See if it gets any better.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:20]:
That's exactly what they do.
David Roman [00:04:21]:
That is exactly what they're doing. That's exactly what they're doing.
Jacob Wierengo [00:04:25]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:25]:
I have very little faith in them. They've. They've.
David Roman [00:04:28]:
Oh, I've. You know, at this Point.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:29]:
No, they've upset me. I mean, I guess, like, if you're, like, on your last leg and you have to go to them, you don't have a choice.
David Roman [00:04:36]:
But the problem I have is the. It's not. The doctors are gonna do what they're gonna do. They're incentivized to go in a certain direction. I get it. It's the people that blindly follow what the doctor is telling them.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:51]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:04:51]:
And they don't. They don't stop and go, hmm, this follows no logical path.
Jacob Wierengo [00:04:57]:
Right.
David Roman [00:04:57]:
Like, this doesn't make any sense. It's like the guy, like, you're saying, hey, my car is running rough. I went to this one person who told me to throw spark plugs in it. So I threw spark plugs in it, did not fix it. I went to this other guy. He told me bad gas. So I emptied it out and filled it back up. It's still running rough.
David Roman [00:05:14]:
It's like, okay, can we stop and can we maybe run some tests? Maybe go? Follow a logical path that will lead us in a specific direction. Nobody stops to do that. So come. A doctor told me to take this medicine thing. I'm like, okay, what's the medicine for? It's for this. You know what causes that? No. Cheeseburgers. Like, quit eating them cheeseburgers.
Lucas Underwood [00:05:43]:
There was this lady, and I may have mentioned this before, as we've been talking about this for the past couple of months, but this lady who we went to church with, and she was diagnosed with MS, right. And it wasn't. Ms. Is one of those deals that it can. It can happen slowly over time, you degrade and things get worse. Sure, some people, they like. It happens all at once. But this woman had some symptoms, but they weren't severe.
Lucas Underwood [00:06:10]:
They weren't, like, a big deal goes to the doctor, is diagnosed with Ms. And like, two days later is in a wheelchair. Right. And. And I think a lot of it. I'm not saying that in her instance, it was. I think it was psychosomatic. Right.
Lucas Underwood [00:06:27]:
But it wasn't a situation where she wasn't actually feeling a certain way. But, buddy, let me tell you what. Those doctors ate it up and they. Oh, oh, I'm so sorry this is happening to you. Let's do this. Let's do this. They destroyed this woman's health, right? They took somebody who was a normal, functioning member of society and ran them slap in the dump and all. Like, if they had just let things play out for a little bit instead of getting her on these medications.
David Roman [00:06:55]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:06:55]:
Then she was addicted to opioids because the. And it's just like.
Jacob Wierengo [00:06:59]:
So the medications triggered the rapid onset.
David Roman [00:07:02]:
Oh. And then some of it was probably just her.
Lucas Underwood [00:07:05]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:07:05]:
Buying into the binding, too.
Lucas Underwood [00:07:08]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:07:08]:
And so I'm listening to a podcast, and this guy's talking about how. He's talking about the power of the mind. He mentioned the book, I can't remember, but the guy talks about a study that they did in which they had found a specific gene that made you more capable of cardiovascular capacity. And like you, if you did aerobic exercise, you could go longer and harder if you had this specific gene. And so what they did is they took a group of like six people and a second group of six people. And the first group, they told them they all had this gene. Now, the catch was only half of them had the gene and the other half didn't. And then in the second group, they told them that you did not have the gene.
David Roman [00:07:54]:
Same thing. Half of them did have the gene, the other half did not. In the group that they had told had the gene, all of them outperformed the second group that was told they did not have the gene. Despite the fact that this half, this second group had the gene and could have gone harder and longer because they were told they didn't have the gene and didn't think they had the gene, they underperformed the people. And the people that didn't have the gene in the first group ended up outperforming the people that did have the gene in the second group.
Lucas Underwood [00:08:26]:
It's really interesting because we watched a. I don't know if it was a documentary or just like a news story on a family. And these Alzheimer's researchers had found that there were certain genes and there were certain, like, it was historical events that had happened in these people's lives, and it was being at the right place at the right time, these chemicals, all of these different things came together and it was like a guarantee that you were going to have Alzheimer's. And so they looked at this particular family because of where they lived and the environmental conditions, all this stuff. They came back and they said, hey, there's a really high probability people in this family are going to have Alzheimer's. We're treating one of the family members that has Alzheimer's already. Let's dig into this and do some research. So it was like a 25 year research on this one family.
Lucas Underwood [00:09:14]:
Right. And he never told them which ones had the genes and which ones did not that were going to cause them to have Alzheimer's now, in that 25 years, like, four of the people ended up with Alzheimer's, but there were three people out of that subset that were convinced, like, they had told themselves. Because he said, like, oh, there's some people in the crew that have the gene, this and that, and other. And he was talking about it, and he said three of these people had the exact same symptoms of the family members who had Alzheimer's and were convinced that they had dementia and Alzheimer's and, like, knew it. And he's like, if you did a clinical test on these people and you were a standard doctor and you didn't know the history and everything else, he said, you would accuse them of having Alzheimer's. You would diagnose them with Alzheimer's. And he said, you know what the cure was? And the person said, what? He said, I just showed them that they didn't have the gene. He's like, they never had the gene, but they had convinced themselves.
Lucas Underwood [00:10:15]:
And so their mind responded and acted in accordance with it. And he said, we saw pathways in the mind change that they had told themselves so much that we saw electrical pathways in the brain change to the point that they had almost given themselves Alzheimer's. And he's like, the reality was, is we were able to take steps and step back from that. But he said it was. It was literally. It wasn't like, you can give yourself Alzheimer's, but you can reprogram your brain to think there are certain symptoms that are real that aren't.
Jacob Wierengo [00:10:44]:
Well, that goes to your immune system and everything. The power of your mind to affect that kind of stuff.
Lucas Underwood [00:10:49]:
Yeah, like that's.
Jacob Wierengo [00:10:50]:
That's been studied, right?
David Roman [00:10:52]:
Yeah, yeah. Same situation. They brought a bunch of people in that all had supposedly gluten intolerance or celiac disease or whatever, and they all fed them, had told them initially that, hey, this is completely gluten free. And they made sure that the entire facility was scrubbed down. The food had absolutely no traces of gluten or anything. Fed all these people, they come back in and they go, I'm sorry. Turns out there was some gluten in the food. And even though there was absolutely no gluten anywhere, these people had a physiological reaction.
David Roman [00:11:32]:
This isn't where like, oh, I feel sick. No. Some of these people started breaking out in hives, started having itching, flushing, vomiting. Like, they had all these physiological reactions to just being told they had been exposed to what they thought they were sick of. Yeah, they weren't ever exposed. Just the power of the mind.
Jacob Wierengo [00:11:51]:
Insane Yeah, I like that kind of neurological power because I'm the guy who. I'll be like, sitting next to the toilet, throwing up, going, I don't think I'm actually sick.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:01]:
Yeah, Let me figure this one out.
David Roman [00:12:04]:
I think you can tell yourself to a certain point, like, I'm just going to tough it out. But sometimes you do have to stop and go, I should probably listen to my body on this one and stop.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:19]:
Well, and, you know, then there's the real situations, the actual physical failures. There's some research that was done on the Chernobyl liquidators. If you've ever watched any of that and seen that, there's some really crazy stuff that happened around those guys. And they were not told what they were walking into. They were just like, yeah, jump up there and shovel these bricks. It'll be fine.
David Roman [00:12:44]:
And they weren't. Nobody was told that, hey, you're going to die in about two years. Your eyeballs are going to melt out of your head.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:51]:
I don't think those made it that long.
David Roman [00:12:53]:
They're like, hey, just put this suit on. It'll be fine. Oh, okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:58]:
Good old ussr Freedom at its best.
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:05]:
I think I've seen too many different Chernobyl, like, documentaries or whatever.
David Roman [00:13:10]:
HBO show.
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:11]:
I don't even know.
David Roman [00:13:12]:
Awesome. Did you watch that one?
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:13]:
True about it or what's not any.
David Roman [00:13:14]:
What really, I don't.
Lucas Underwood [00:13:16]:
It is. It is fascinating. There's a ton of research out there on it. There's a ton of information.
David Roman [00:13:21]:
Did you watch the HBO special?
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:23]:
No.
David Roman [00:13:23]:
It's probably the cold.
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:25]:
Okay.
David Roman [00:13:26]:
It is probably so good.
Lucas Underwood [00:13:27]:
What really happened.
David Roman [00:13:28]:
Yeah, it is killer.
Jacob Wierengo [00:13:29]:
I saw one where people were growing extra limbs and, like, mutated children and stuff. And.
Lucas Underwood [00:13:34]:
And you know what's so interesting about. Is that the area around Chernobyl, the exclusion zone, grew back and, like, the animals came back. Now, some of the animals had mutations and lived shorter lives, this, that and other, but they all came back in full force when humans left. Right. And it was kind of interesting to see that there's a lot of really neat information around the subject. And so David will tell you, one of the things I really, really like is, like, failures. What happened. Like, pinpointing the timeline of events of how it happened and why it happened.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:08]:
That is a super interesting story between somebody who did not know as much as they thought they knew making a decision, and then everybody else following that decision and playing out based on what he said, because he was the boss and he was in control, even though they knew something was really wrong. Right. And it's a.
David Roman [00:14:28]:
Didn't it turn out that the guy that was telling him, everything's fine, everything's fine just didn't want to get in trouble.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:35]:
He was determined to complete the test, even though. And he had been told by the company that designed the reactor that there was no chance that anything would ever happen to the reactor. His attitude really came from this. And I think it was a cultural thing because at the time, failure was not an option for them.
David Roman [00:14:54]:
Well, probably meant your head.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:56]:
Yeah, exactly. And so he.
David Roman [00:14:58]:
You're off to the gulags.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:59]:
He was determined to do it. And so they did the test even though they knew something was wrong. He didn't properly analyze the data that was coming back from the test. And so he responded incorrectly and made things worse. And then he pushed the double Z button and the world changed forever.
David Roman [00:15:18]:
How about the world?
Lucas Underwood [00:15:19]:
Well, it did go back and look. Go look at the cancer instances worldwide after it happened. Because it spread. You have to think that the radiation from Chernobyl spread all over Europe. It got into the upper atmosphere. I'm sure they would love to tell you that it didn't. But cancer instances definitely increased worldwide when it happened. Not.
Jacob Wierengo [00:15:38]:
Not only that, it also having to put a big damper on our research in nuclear technology. It reshaped the future of technology.
Lucas Underwood [00:15:45]:
And it is very safe technology.
David Roman [00:15:47]:
I think we were fine until Three Mile Island. I think Three Mile island is what killed it, at least in the US because there's. In other countries. It's like they're still using it.
Lucas Underwood [00:15:56]:
It's pretty cool to see Three Mile. And when you fly into Harrisburg for tools, you see Three Mile island as you fly in.
David Roman [00:16:04]:
Can you. They're opening it back up.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:06]:
Yeah, it's a. That. That's a.
David Roman [00:16:08]:
They're going to make it a theme park.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:10]:
I'm sure you watched Sign Me Up. I'm sure you watched the.
Jacob Wierengo [00:16:13]:
Where they're putting the Disney villains.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:16]:
Did you watch the documentary on it?
David Roman [00:16:19]:
I think I started to. Didn't quite finish it. It wasn't not. It wasn't as good as the Chernobyl show. So it's like, well, you get to.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:26]:
The end of it that they also.
David Roman [00:16:29]:
It happened in our country and like the bureaucratic incompetence and like the corporate corruption. Just because I knew it happened in our country, like the one in the Soviet Union. It's like, okay, commies, what else? That's what's going to happen anyway. But watching it, knowing that it happened here in the hall, it just makes me Mad.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:56]:
Hey, you know what? Fukushima, in my opinion, is probably the coolest one of all these accidents because there's. And I don't know how true this is, but if you go back and you do a little bit of research, you find out, well, let me ask you this. Do you know who built Fukushima Daiichi's plants?
David Roman [00:17:14]:
No.
Lucas Underwood [00:17:15]:
It was ge. Yeah, GE built those bad boys. And you know when they built them, like, shortly after World War II. And so the generator rooms were initially substantially higher than the rest of the facility, and they were, like, way up, out of the way. So if there was ever a tsunami, it was engineered that the generators wouldn't get hit by the tsunami. And GE's engineers came in and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, that won't work. They need to be lower. Like, what do you mean? They're like, yeah, we're going to put them down here.
Lucas Underwood [00:17:48]:
And so they put them at sea level. And so a lot of people kind of question, like, was there some intent behind that? And then, like, later, oops, sorry, our bad.
David Roman [00:17:58]:
But yeah, well, why would they want to blow it up?
Lucas Underwood [00:18:04]:
Well, you know, just let it fail, just in case.
David Roman [00:18:07]:
Especially, like, as it's blowing up or it's melting down and, like, the fish are all dying and everybody's dying. The GE logo is in there in the background. Everybody's looking at the GE from the helicopters flying, lying around.
Lucas Underwood [00:18:22]:
Well, you didn't see any GE logos. I don't even know that they built the plant. I think they engineered the plant designed by ge. Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:18:31]:
Do they believe in China? No such thing as bad publicity and.
Lucas Underwood [00:18:34]:
Yeah, exactly.
David Roman [00:18:35]:
Yeah, there you go.
Lucas Underwood [00:18:36]:
And who knows if it's. Who knows if it's even true or not? But I think what so many people brought up, if you bust that on top of the equipment, like, hold it down low and then bust it. But I think what so many people questioned about that was, you're talking about a time that was during the North Korean conflicts and so. Or the Korean War. Right. And so there was a lot of concern about the stability of the region as a whole. And so I think that they might have had some influences that said, hey, if we needed to do something terrible, how would we do that? Oh, those generators should probably be down here if you want to do that.
David Roman [00:19:21]:
Our government wouldn't do anything like that. Get out of here.
Jacob Wierengo [00:19:24]:
Yeah, it was pretty conspiratorial.
Lucas Underwood [00:19:26]:
There it is. That's what I'm saying. It was a conspiracy theory. I haven't. I didn't. Think it up. I didn't design the theory. I was just saying that I was always reading about Fukushima Daiichi.
Lucas Underwood [00:19:36]:
Yeah, that comes up. That's a major topic. There's a lot of Japanese people who really believe that the US Kind of like inserted fist and twisted.
David Roman [00:19:46]:
After they dropped a couple of bombs on. Yeah, they started.
Lucas Underwood [00:19:54]:
Well, the podcast just got canceled.
David Roman [00:19:58]:
They may have started it, but the conspiracy theory is that the US Knew it was coming and let it happen so they could get into the war.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:06]:
And a.
David Roman [00:20:08]:
Not that. I'm not saying that that's the conspiracy theories. You brought up conspiracy theories. That's a conspiracy theory.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:13]:
Yeah, there's. There. That's a really interesting point in history because they were notified and the. There were decodings of Japanese transmissions that indicated that they were going to attack one of two places. And so the commanding generals thought for sure they would attack somewhere else, that they surely wouldn't be bold enough to do that, and they did it. And they. They even had a little bit of warning time to react and probably didn't react properly to the situation at hand once they heard about it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:20:47]:
In retrospect, it doesn't seem that way.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:51]:
No, I'm with you, but what do.
Jacob Wierengo [00:20:53]:
You mean that maybe we should have done something if we knew that attack was coming, then just wait for it?
David Roman [00:21:00]:
Well, I think the public sentiment was that we don't get into the war. Up until that point, it was, we're going to stay out. We don't need to be involved.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:11]:
Didn't. Didn't the World War II situation ensure that Roosevelt was reelected? Like, he got an extra term or what was the deal with that?
David Roman [00:21:22]:
It was hugely popular after that. I don't know. You got four terms, so.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:27]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:21:27]:
Died in office. I don't know.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:34]:
You and your politics.
David Roman [00:21:35]:
I'm not getting into politics. I'm just saying.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:38]:
Let me ask you what you did.
David Roman [00:21:40]:
You know that they apparently had arrested a guy from a foreign country that they knew was conspiring to assassinate Trump?
Lucas Underwood [00:21:53]:
Really?
David Roman [00:21:54]:
A few days before he got shot in Butler. They knew, you know what they didn't do? They didn't up security. This wasn't like some nut bag in a forum. And they found him in a basement with some guns, and they were like, I'm gonna shoot the president. Like, that was not the situation. The situation was this was a foreign agent from another country, Iran. And they had. Or they had.
Lucas Underwood [00:22:23]:
Yeah, they're. Iran does not like Trump at all.
David Roman [00:22:26]:
They had evidence. They arrested him. The guy's like, yeah, I Got a family here. I got a family in Iran. I was about to fly back. Yeah, I was here to, to kill him. Like that was my deal. That's why I was.
David Roman [00:22:40]:
And they're like, what's that?
Jacob Wierengo [00:22:43]:
Who's got a whole list of would be assassins? Apparently just a matter of time.
David Roman [00:22:47]:
Well, this was like five days before he got shot. And they're like, huh? We have a credible. Like we stopped a possible assassination here because this guy was very far along his plans. Maybe we should do something. Security. Yeah, it's fine.
Lucas Underwood [00:23:05]:
You ever been?
David Roman [00:23:06]:
Fine.
Lucas Underwood [00:23:06]:
You ever been to the JFK museum in Dallas? Nope. That's really cool. And like, as you go through, you like, learn about the family and you see all these things and you hear about what they had for a meal that day and you like see the whole day.
David Roman [00:23:20]:
And then you get to the part where you get shot and they're like, it was a lone gunman. He did it by himself.
Lucas Underwood [00:23:26]:
Nobody else was involved. That's the best part.
David Roman [00:23:28]:
Asking questions.
Lucas Underwood [00:23:29]:
That's the best part. As you get around the corner, like you get to where you walk up and they've got the rifle set up where he was at. And you walk up and you can see the floor where he was supposedly laying. And they. The like the boxes and everything that he was in between are still the same boxes that are sitting there today, right?
David Roman [00:23:46]:
Supposedly. Sure.
Lucas Underwood [00:23:46]:
And so you go around and you're reading about it and there's like this huge thing in the middle of the floor where the FBI built this, like, model. And so their model is in there and it's behind glass and you're reading about it. And the very last thing that you see before you walk out is, is that there has been no conclusion to this case and that the FBI will not certify that this was the accurate conclusion of the case. They don't know the answer. And there will never be enough evidence to determine if that. If what they think happened, happened unburied.
David Roman [00:24:19]:
Yeah, well, you saw what Trump said about the whole. He's like, yeah, there's lots of stuff that couldn't come out. And he was apparently convinced. I think it was Mike Pompeo that convinced him. Don't quote me on that. I think he said it was Pompeo that convinced them. You cannot put this out. It will endanger our credibility on the international stage and blah, blah, blah.
David Roman [00:24:44]:
He gave him a list of reasons. Do not release this information even though it's a bajillion years old at this point. We're all beyond it. Nobody trusts the government now at this point anyway. Just release it anyway. He didn't. He promised he would if he got elected though. So we'll see.
David Roman [00:25:03]:
This will come out after the election.
Jacob Wierengo [00:25:05]:
One way or the other. Huh?
David Roman [00:25:07]:
What's that, you think?
Jacob Wierengo [00:25:07]:
One way or the other?
David Roman [00:25:09]:
Well, I mean, unless we all get shipped off to World War 3 and I can't actually post the podcast, I'll be fighting in Ukraine with the rest of you yahoos.
Lucas Underwood [00:25:19]:
Man, I tell you what, if we're depending on David to defend us in Ukraine, we're in trouble.
David Roman [00:25:23]:
Not defending us, I mean, yeah, kind of because they will be getting shot at by Russians. I'm just saying when we get shipped off to Ukraine like they do. You've seen the videos of them chasing down able bodied men? No, no. Have you seen the videos of them chasing down able bodied men that have tried to get out of the country or tried to skip out on fighting?
Jacob Wierengo [00:25:44]:
No.
David Roman [00:25:46]:
They pull up in vans and they chase the guy down, throw him in the van, put them in uniform, stick a gun on it and ship them off to the front lines to go get blown up by a drone.
Lucas Underwood [00:25:56]:
Listen, the old men in my drone.
David Roman [00:25:59]:
Have you seen the drones?
Jacob Wierengo [00:26:00]:
Yeah. Oh yeah.
David Roman [00:26:01]:
They look up and they're like. And they start running and they're like running in circles and the things like pop.
Jacob Wierengo [00:26:10]:
Yeah, that's terrifying.
David Roman [00:26:10]:
Guys, that you don't even have a.
Lucas Underwood [00:26:12]:
Chance like this big. Could you imagine, could you imagine Braxton with, with David on his shoulder right next to me.
David Roman [00:26:20]:
He'll be right next to me.
Lucas Underwood [00:26:23]:
Braxton's running at full speed with David on his shoulders.
David Roman [00:26:27]:
He's not carrying me out. He's going to leave me. You kidding me? Run for. We're going to be screwed. I'm just saying. I am. I'm just telling for everybody to know that I would not be a good asset to the Ukraine, to the Ukrainian army, that I probably shouldn't be at the front lines. I, I'm not a good asset.
David Roman [00:26:49]:
You're just not going to be making.
Lucas Underwood [00:26:51]:
Good use of me being on the front lines with this dude.
David Roman [00:26:54]:
You're not going to make good use of me for the Ukrainian cause.
Lucas Underwood [00:26:58]:
The mud is muddy, the ground is wet.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:02]:
What do they, what do they call this?
David Roman [00:27:03]:
The.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:04]:
That the people who talk on like the anti espionage or something. He could just talk to the. Oh, he could do the radio, the media stuff.
David Roman [00:27:14]:
Yeah. Oh, the, the propaganda.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:16]:
Yeah, yeah, propaganda. Thank you.
David Roman [00:27:18]:
I like that. That's. That is, that is going to be good yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:24]:
We found David's role. That's gonna be chief propaganda officer.
David Roman [00:27:30]:
I will be chief meme creator. That's what I'll be.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:33]:
Oh, my God.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:35]:
Is that how you say your name?
Lucas Underwood [00:27:36]:
Yeah, yeah. Tanika.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:37]:
Yeah, Tanika.
David Roman [00:27:38]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:39]:
She's doing that, right?
Lucas Underwood [00:27:40]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:27:40]:
You're gonna take her job? Seems kind of selfish.
David Roman [00:27:43]:
She's not gonna get shipped off.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:46]:
She can be the local. She can be the local meme creator. He can be the international meme creator.
David Roman [00:27:52]:
You're gonna get shipped off. Yeah, you are definitely gonna get shipped off.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:56]:
That's how you shipped off.
David Roman [00:27:56]:
You're from the, like the hills of North Carolina. You kidding me? Like, the first area they're gonna go to. Hey, what white boys do we have that no guns. Hey. The hills of North Carolina. Let's start there, then all of Texas. And then they'll start like, you know, everywhere else. Missouri, that'll be gone.
David Roman [00:28:16]:
Indiana, shipped off.
Jacob Wierengo [00:28:18]:
They got records of it, but they didn't want me back when I was a teenager.
Lucas Underwood [00:28:23]:
You know what I'm saying?
David Roman [00:28:24]:
You're not getting it. I'll show you the videos of old men. They can just walk.
Jacob Wierengo [00:28:30]:
They just need bodies.
David Roman [00:28:31]:
They kidnapped? Yes. They are out of men to kill. I mean, to send to war. They're out of able bodied men. So at this point, if you're caught at all, and you're a Ukrainian leaving the country, trying to skip out hiding so you don't get shipped off to go fight the Russians, they are kidnapping you and sending you to the front lines to get blown up by a drone. That's about this big.
Lucas Underwood [00:29:01]:
Drone swarms. Call of Duty, baby.
David Roman [00:29:05]:
It's bad. Dude, that was a video game. This is real life. They are building these things like a million a minute, 3D printing them. They're 3D printing these things and they just chase people down and blow up. That's what they do. That's insane. Insane.
David Roman [00:29:23]:
You gotta get really. That's. That's what you should. In fact, everybody's watching this. Go practice shooting drones out of the sky because otherwise you're going to get blown up.
Jacob Wierengo [00:29:34]:
Are they going to paint them orange like clay pigeons?
Lucas Underwood [00:29:36]:
Oh, that would be fun.
Jacob Wierengo [00:29:37]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:29:38]:
No, no, you can't be able to see them. You're just going to hear and see the blue spot.
Jacob Wierengo [00:29:44]:
They'll create a heat signature or something.
David Roman [00:29:46]:
Yeah. So you're going to use infrared or something.
Jacob Wierengo [00:29:50]:
Yeah, for sure.
David Roman [00:29:50]:
Yeah. I just want to point out that you need to be shooting at them with whatever the hell the Ukrainians are using to shoot Russians with.
Lucas Underwood [00:30:01]:
Oh, Ukraine. Yeah, Birdshot would definitely do it.
David Roman [00:30:05]:
You think?
Lucas Underwood [00:30:05]:
Oh, yeah, yeah. Knock them out. Break the.
David Roman [00:30:07]:
I don't know what we've sent over as far as arms go, but probably.
Jacob Wierengo [00:30:11]:
Like, missiles and stuff. They just need 12 gauges.
Lucas Underwood [00:30:14]:
Yeah, be fine.
Jacob Wierengo [00:30:17]:
12 gauges.
David Roman [00:30:18]:
I feel bad for these guys. I was watching this one video. The guy was like. He climbed out of the tank, saw the drone, and then started running circles around the tank. The drone ended up getting him, but, like, why not climb back into the. He panicked and, like, he saw the drone and he's like, I don't have.
Jacob Wierengo [00:30:36]:
The same YouTube as you.
David Roman [00:30:38]:
What the. This is an all YouTube deer. Well, you know, I'll send you the video, though.
Lucas Underwood [00:30:42]:
There was a conspiracy that said that the reason the government and YouTube were working together to get the gun videos off of YouTube is because it was exceptionally harder to start wars when our foreign opponents knew how many Americans had a large arsenal of weapons.
David Roman [00:31:00]:
What? Yeah. So does that make sense?
Jacob Wierengo [00:31:03]:
Government wants to make us seem more vulnerable?
Lucas Underwood [00:31:05]:
Yeah, the. The. That it would hold. Conspiracy theory. The. The YouTube gun community is insanely huge. Have you ever, like, looked up guns on YouTube? Just.
David Roman [00:31:15]:
Sure. YouTube is enormous. That makes sense.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:19]:
Yeah, but like, the gun cat community.
David Roman [00:31:21]:
On YouTube, it's enormous.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:23]:
I'm not about that, man. I'm not about that.
David Roman [00:31:25]:
I'm just saying there's a. There's a community for everything.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:29]:
Yeah, but the gun community is, like, one of the big ones.
David Roman [00:31:31]:
Okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:32]:
Real big one.
Jacob Wierengo [00:31:33]:
Guns and cars are.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:34]:
How did.
Jacob Wierengo [00:31:35]:
I mean, I just.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:35]:
I need. I. I guess I need to ask. I don't understand. Like, where do these people get the money to buy all these guns? I mean, there are some nice guns on YouTube.
Jacob Wierengo [00:31:45]:
Lots of them.
David Roman [00:31:46]:
It depends on how big the channel is. Yeah. Depending on the size of the channel.
Jacob Wierengo [00:31:50]:
We watch a lot of that stuff on our lunch breaks. Right. And so the guys will have, like, off road mat, and all of a sudden there's whistling diesel on there, and he's shooting guns with the demolition mat.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:02]:
Oh, yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:32:03]:
They all, like. They just get together and do YouTube stuff.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:05]:
Did you see the. Did you see the video of the. Is it Kentucky ballistics where the.50 cal blew up and almost killed him? Did you see that? Yep. Holy cow, that's scary. The. The 50 that he was using like a reload. And evidently they. There was a problem with the reload and it blew up and it popped his jugular.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:26]:
And so dude's dad comes over and is like, this is gonna hurt, and shoves his thumb in his jugular and, like, holds it shut. It's a crazy story. Yeah. Almost bled to death just like that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:32:37]:
He had posted the videos up and YouTube took him down within like 12 hours of posting them.
David Roman [00:32:42]:
But yeah, it was him getting his jugular ripped open. Yeah. I would say that's probably against community standards. This whole video is going to be community standards.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:52]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:32:53]:
It's educational, though, like how to save someone's life. If the jugular gets blown open by a broken 50k.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:59]:
They. They defunded or they demonetized his channel.
David Roman [00:33:04]:
Yeah. That stuff is really skirting the lines. And they'll shadow ban you. They shadow ban a lot of stuff so you'll never get found. You don't get your subs, don't get notified of the video. And then I've seen comment sections get disabled. Yep. You didn't do it.
David Roman [00:33:23]:
But the comment sections get disabled. They have all sorts of weird algorithmic nonsense that they enact on channels they don't want. They want everything to be Mr. Beast videos except for the diddling stuff. Other than that, hopefully there's an abrupt end to that. Probably not somebody else.
Jacob Wierengo [00:33:44]:
Like, I didn't. I never like his channel at all.
David Roman [00:33:49]:
Yeah, but it wasn't geared for you. It's meant for like nine year olds. Oh, yeah. Well.
Lucas Underwood [00:33:55]:
But, I mean, Jacob kind of has the mentality of a nine year old. Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:33:59]:
That's fair.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:00]:
Fine.
David Roman [00:34:01]:
It does.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:01]:
His parents are really cool.
David Roman [00:34:04]:
Okay.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:05]:
Did you gather that from my parents?
Lucas Underwood [00:34:07]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:07]:
Okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:08]:
Yeah, we had to talk about it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:09]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:10]:
They said he was a little slow and he. He was looking up.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:15]:
I had to ride the short bus.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:18]:
They said. You didn't ride a bus.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:19]:
No, I didn't. I was. I was homeschooled, actually.
David Roman [00:34:22]:
Were you?
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:22]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:34:23]:
Yeah. That's good, though.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:24]:
It was exceptionally troublesome in elementary school, so they pulled me out in fourth grade.
David Roman [00:34:27]:
Did they really?
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:28]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:28]:
Serious.
David Roman [00:34:29]:
I could see that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:30]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:34:30]:
Yep. That's not a bad thing, though.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:32]:
It's. That's what made me socially awkward.
David Roman [00:34:34]:
You're socially awkward?
Lucas Underwood [00:34:36]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:36]:
I didn't have. I wasn't able to acclimate to other kids.
David Roman [00:34:40]:
Yeah, that's a. Going to school doesn't fix that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:34:45]:
It helps.
David Roman [00:34:47]:
No, it doesn't. It doesn't. I'm just saying from the other side. I went to school. I am very socially awkward. Mostly that I don't like it. Right. So I avoid small talk or niceties.
Lucas Underwood [00:35:03]:
Who was it the other day?
David Roman [00:35:05]:
So we go down to. Nobody wants to hear your stupid story. We go down to Go see the ASOG dinner thing, right?
Jacob Wierengo [00:35:10]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:35:11]:
And this gal is showing us the room and she's walking around and this. Yay. Who's just yammering away with the most meaningless, like, stupid, vapid small talk I have ever heard. My. Like, I just wanted to just shove cotton balls in my ears. Like, this is awful. I can't. You are going to listen to this.
David Roman [00:35:31]:
But they were just enjoying themselves. They're like, how about the weather? Weather.
Jacob Wierengo [00:35:36]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:35:37]:
Who cares? Who cares?
Lucas Underwood [00:35:39]:
Well, that was what I was getting ready to say. You should probably move to Finland. Isn't it Finland that they don't have small talk at all? They have. They have classes for their. For their students to teach them how to engage in small talk if they go overseas.
Jacob Wierengo [00:35:50]:
You know, I have seen that.
David Roman [00:35:52]:
That's awesome.
Jacob Wierengo [00:35:53]:
Yeah. I'm not opposed to them. Elimination of vapid small talk.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:00]:
It's just because you all suck at it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:36:02]:
That's true.
David Roman [00:36:05]:
The people that are supposedly good.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:08]:
No, I'm not saying sounds good.
David Roman [00:36:09]:
Stupid. It's just. It's like waste of breath. Like, how about we don't.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:14]:
Common courtesy in.
Jacob Wierengo [00:36:15]:
In Michigan. Every year. Every year we have to talk about, like, two things. It's the weather. Ludicrous. It's the humidity. And then, well, you got to be glad it's still warm because it's going to be snowing soon. Like, it happens every year.
Jacob Wierengo [00:36:29]:
Can we get used to it at some point?
Lucas Underwood [00:36:31]:
No.
David Roman [00:36:31]:
See, that's not homeschooled. Telling you that. That's just how you were wired, that you could have gone to school, come out of school, been completely around people and been like, everybody's an idiot. I can't talk to anybody. They're all morons.
Jacob Wierengo [00:36:47]:
I'm very grateful for some of my education, for giving me that. I feel like I have a leg up on some people for that.
David Roman [00:36:53]:
On the. Being homeschooled.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:56]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:36:56]:
Yeah, definitely.
David Roman [00:36:58]:
I'm just telling you that had they stuck you in school, you just maybe would have been more bitter.
Lucas Underwood [00:37:05]:
Yeah, you are pretty bitter. Hate life pretty much all the time.
David Roman [00:37:11]:
Life. I hate a lot of things in life.
Lucas Underwood [00:37:17]:
I just want to make sure. We're almost a little worried there for a minute, like, oh, he doesn't know. Somebody should tell him.
David Roman [00:37:26]:
But I don't hate life. You know, it is what it is.
Lucas Underwood [00:37:31]:
I bet at some point when the percentage of things in life that you hate exceeds the percentage of things you don't hate, you kind of have to.
David Roman [00:37:42]:
Say, it's not numbers. It's a. How much do I hate all these other things as opposed to the things that I do like. Does it see what I'm saying? So I like five things, right? Food, maybe six. So I like these six things, but I like them so much more than I hate everything else. See, that's all it is.
Jacob Wierengo [00:38:05]:
I get that. Yeah, I get that.
David Roman [00:38:07]:
Makes sense.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:09]:
I'm still a little worried about the ratio.
Jacob Wierengo [00:38:12]:
Sometimes when you have our outlook on life, you just have to. You have to focus on the gratitude. You know, it's those six things and just reminding yourself, you know, while you're doing a. Like head gaskets on a North Star or something.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:25]:
Oh, that is bad.
David Roman [00:38:28]:
You don't do a head gaskets on.
Jacob Wierengo [00:38:30]:
I don't either. It was the worst thing I could think of. Right?
Lucas Underwood [00:38:35]:
Yeah, that's pretty bad. That's pretty bad.
Jacob Wierengo [00:38:38]:
You just have to go, well, you know, while you're taking them head gaskets out, you just go. Doing this for my family.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:43]:
Hey, you want to hear something that'll make you go, I just love somebody?
David Roman [00:38:46]:
I don't.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:46]:
The actual. What is this dude thinking? I. I think he said something the other day that he's converting his shop to a Euro shop.
David Roman [00:38:56]:
Oh, yeah, I remember that.
Jacob Wierengo [00:38:57]:
Are you talking about me?
Lucas Underwood [00:38:58]:
Yeah. Just because he loves Seth so much, he wants Seth Auro. I'm sure that's what it is.
Jacob Wierengo [00:39:02]:
I do, actually. Yeah, I talked to him about the new building too. I was like, hey, is this a good deal? Should I do this? And he's like, yeah, you should definitely buy that, right?
Lucas Underwood [00:39:10]:
Yep. Seth is very smart. He's. He's exceptionally smart. Yep. Him and David get along very well.
David Roman [00:39:19]:
I don't know why he's got beef with me.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:22]:
With you. Uncomfortable. And Seth loves it when he can see that you're uncomfortable.
David Roman [00:39:29]:
I don't. I don't get uncomfortable. Seth, the Seth does not make me uncomfortable. Yeah, okay, well, that's fine. But I'm just saying, like, we can both be opinionated. It's fine. I'm just saying I don't get uncomfortable at all in any way, shape or form. What's that? Not even close.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:47]:
You did block him because he was.
David Roman [00:39:51]:
Like, following around in my comments. Like, and then, you know, he smashes the keyboards. Like, he goes like this when he types, and then whatever thing he had sent, and then he doesn't think about it. Like, at no point does he stop and go, I should reread what I wrote. This doesn't make sense. This is gibberish.
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:07]:
He inspired me to start Doing that, I proofread a lot less. Now I'm just like, type it.
David Roman [00:40:11]:
It'll be fun.
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:12]:
Yeah. I realized, like, somebody that successful can just do that and don't care at all.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:19]:
Yeah. See, that's why I so much wade.
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:21]:
In retyping my stuff.
David Roman [00:40:22]:
I think the exchange of ideas is important.
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:26]:
Absolutely.
David Roman [00:40:28]:
You can't have it both ways. You can't be like, hey, the exchange of ideas is really important. But also, smash keyboard sent. Well, which one is it?
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:36]:
Have you ever seen the thing where they take all the letters and all the letters in the middle are jumbled up, but the first one and the last one are right?
Lucas Underwood [00:40:43]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:40:44]:
Still read an entire sentence.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:45]:
You were collecting information.
David Roman [00:40:47]:
Okay, I get that. I understand the words he's putting him. It's just the order doesn't make any sense. And then, like, there's no punctuation or, like, it's just. It's just.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:58]:
I think it's voice to text, and.
David Roman [00:41:00]:
It'S not voice to text.
Jacob Wierengo [00:41:01]:
Definitely not voice to text.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:02]:
It's not voice when you listen, when you've got that thick, thick accent. The. The northerner accent, man, I just can't understand it.
David Roman [00:41:10]:
The Minnesotan.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:11]:
Yeah. Google was built in California, in the South. Okay. So I mean it.
David Roman [00:41:15]:
Like, it does learn your accent, your tone. Like, it does learn how you say certain things.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:23]:
You think so?
David Roman [00:41:24]:
Yeah, it's supposed to. If you teach it, there's this function to teach it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:41:27]:
Sometimes I think he types like Joe Biden. Talks. Mixes some words together, makes some new ones up.
David Roman [00:41:33]:
Maybe that's effective. Yeah. I don't know.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:36]:
Anyway, all I'm saying, Joe Biden is an effective communicator.
Jacob Wierengo [00:41:39]:
Yep.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:41]:
He's negotiating for our country.
Jacob Wierengo [00:41:45]:
This one, off the rails.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:49]:
What? I'm just telling you. Listen, that's what the piece of paper said to say.
David Roman [00:41:53]:
81 million people voted him into office is all I'm saying. And I'm not saying I didn't or did.
Jacob Wierengo [00:42:01]:
They can't all be wrong.
David Roman [00:42:02]:
That's all I'm saying. It's like 81 million people. I don't know how 81 million people didn't think how this was going to end up turning out. Some of us knew a while ago and went, this isn't going to end well.
Lucas Underwood [00:42:18]:
Who was your favorite president?
Jacob Wierengo [00:42:22]:
Vladimir Zelensky.
Lucas Underwood [00:42:26]:
So.
Jacob Wierengo [00:42:31]:
Sorry, David, I didn't mean to speak for you.
David Roman [00:42:33]:
The means of him dancing on the pole as Biden's like, chucking dollars at him. Fantastic. Or the. The meme of the Ukrainian soldier. That's a like, remember who you're fighting for. He opens up his locket and it's Hunter Biden you're fighting for.
Lucas Underwood [00:42:52]:
That's kind of. It's kind of messed up.
David Roman [00:42:55]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:42:55]:
No, I'm serious. Who was your favorite president?
David Roman [00:42:58]:
Grover Cleveland.
Lucas Underwood [00:43:00]:
Okay. Why?
David Roman [00:43:02]:
So while Grover Cleveland was president, a depression hit. And his. That like, big depression. And his economists kept telling him, we gotta intervene, we gotta do something. And he didn't do jack squat. He did nothing. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go vacation. Guess what happened.
David Roman [00:43:27]:
Balanced out, bounced right back up. Economy was better than ever. Not because he was a genius or he knew what he was doing. Or he's like, I got this. Or he was like libertarian minded. Or he believed in the free market. Now he was just completely inactive. He just.
David Roman [00:43:45]:
I don't know what to do. Let it do anything. Let it do what it's going to do. And he didn't do jack. Yeah, it's good president.
Lucas Underwood [00:43:53]:
Yeah. You know, think about some of the decisions that I've watched my dad make where, you know, instead of reacting when everybody else was saying react. Let it just play out.
David Roman [00:44:05]:
See what happens.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:06]:
See what happens. Favorite president or most hated president?
David Roman [00:44:11]:
Sorry. You know who is a close second? Andrew Jackson.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:16]:
Yeah, yeah.
David Roman [00:44:16]:
That guy was a psycho. Yes.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:20]:
Anyway, who was your most hated president?
David Roman [00:44:22]:
Hated? I don't hate people. What are you talking about?
Lucas Underwood [00:44:25]:
You hate everyone.
David Roman [00:44:26]:
No, I hate things. I don't hate people. I hate things that people do. Yeah, yeah, but not people. Who's your favorite president? Why don't you ask our guest?
Jacob Wierengo [00:44:37]:
You can't put me on the spot.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:38]:
Yeah, I want to know who's not.
Jacob Wierengo [00:44:40]:
A history buff here? I don't. I'm gonna pick something like, I don't know, let's go with Abraham Lincoln. He seems pretty good.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:48]:
Oh, I watched. I watched a video the other night. It was like a little reel on Facebook.
Jacob Wierengo [00:44:52]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:52]:
And it's like, well, this is awkward. And they're sitting at a bar and they like pan left and it's the news story up.
Jacob Wierengo [00:44:58]:
Abraham Lincoln watching.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:00]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:45:00]:
Trump assassination.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:01]:
Yeah. Because like this dude's like an Abraham Lincoln impersonator. And then he's just.
David Roman [00:45:12]:
Poor guy.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:14]:
I don't know. I mean, I know that David hates Truman. I liked Truman for a couple reasons.
David Roman [00:45:20]:
No, no.
Jacob Wierengo [00:45:21]:
Jim Carrey.
David Roman [00:45:23]:
Truman.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:24]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:45:24]:
Truman. Truman's okay. It's. He's not okay. I mean, he. He killed a lot of people. But I can see that he may have thought he needed to do that, that he felt it Was which the.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:39]:
Hiroshima.
David Roman [00:45:39]:
Yeah, Nagasaki.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:41]:
So my take on that is based on the information that he was given, that was the right decision to make. And he did a lot to try and minimize civilian losses.
David Roman [00:45:55]:
Yeah, right.
Lucas Underwood [00:45:55]:
He did work, dropped the flyers, played music, sent, like, word, begged the Japanese people, begged the emperor to, hey, like, please don't make me do this. I don't want to do this. I'm going to do this, but I don't want to do this. Right. And his belief system, I think, is ultimately the reason that that happened is because he had always been taught from a young age, you know, the story or the little plaque that said on his desk, the buck stops here. Like, nobody else is going to make a decision for you. You have to make a decision.
David Roman [00:46:27]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:46:28]:
And so you think about that position being put into that Roosevelt dies, you know nothing about this weapon, and they walk in the room hours after you become the President of the United States and say, hey, you have to make a decision. You have to do it now. By the way, this could suck. Right? Like our brand. I mean, what do you do?
David Roman [00:46:49]:
I don't know. It was a tough decision, for sure. I don't know that I would have dropped it, but I. I can understand. That's why I probably wouldn't put him at the bottom. Woodrow Wilson, however.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:00]:
Yeah, he was pretty.
David Roman [00:47:02]:
Was. Was pretty scummy. He was a dirtbag. Ruined the country.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:08]:
Who's your most hated president then? If you don't have a favorite, who's your most hated?
Jacob Wierengo [00:47:13]:
I'm not really a. I had to step back from politics and everything. I don't know a whole lot of the, like, the presidential history. Who did what. Not big on that.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:21]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:47:22]:
I can't say that I would particularly dislike anyone.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:25]:
Yeah. I think. I think Eisenhower did some pretty shady stuff. I think he was a good president, but I think he. I think that is where this American.
David Roman [00:47:36]:
Vindicated himself with his final message, though.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:41]:
I think this is where the American military complex comes from. Patton.
David Roman [00:47:51]:
Maybe. But the very end, where he's like, hey, so I got the ball rolling on something that's going to end up destroying this country. My bad. Sorry. Here's your warning. Nobody will listen.
Lucas Underwood [00:48:05]:
Well, you know, I think Patton. The reason that Patton got killed was because Patton was saying, dude, you are going to make such a mess.
David Roman [00:48:13]:
It'll be fine.
Lucas Underwood [00:48:14]:
The reason that goes home, and Christie's like, why are there glass beads in your pants? David?
Jacob Wierengo [00:48:23]:
I.
Lucas Underwood [00:48:23]:
The.
Jacob Wierengo [00:48:24]:
The.
Lucas Underwood [00:48:25]:
Patton was trying to warn the American people and warn the American political system that, hey, Like, Hitler's bad, but the USSR is way worse. The Red army is dangerous as hell, and we probably should not be working with them. We probably should not have this engagement. And then Patton got killed right after he said that. So.
David Roman [00:48:54]:
I don't know. Turns out he was probably right. Just from a sheer death count.
Lucas Underwood [00:49:00]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's a pretty crazy story. And I mean, I don't know. You know what's sad is, is most kids today don't know anything about it.
Jacob Wierengo [00:49:10]:
Yeah, I feel vastly under educated on it right now.
Lucas Underwood [00:49:13]:
Well, I mean, the. The. Our local school system sent out a letter to parents saying that they felt like parts of the story of the Holocaust were inappropriate for school so they weren't going to teach anymore. And it's like, really? Listen, just because you do not like it, it's like the Whoopi Goldberg thing at the beginning of Looney Tunes. Right? Just because you don't agree with it and just because it's uncomfortable to hear doesn't mean it shouldn't be told, because that's how you avoid it happening again. Right, right. And so they've. A lot of school systems have stopped teaching about the Holocaust, and there's some that even question whether it really happened or not.
Lucas Underwood [00:49:53]:
And it's like, are you kidding me?
David Roman [00:49:56]:
I don't know. Those people are crazy.
Jacob Wierengo [00:49:58]:
Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
David Roman [00:50:01]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:50:01]:
Yeah, for sure.
David Roman [00:50:02]:
I don't. I don't know. I know I have seen that they've tried to. To tone down some aspects of history. But at the same time, though, you know, some of the stuff that they put in history books are wildly inaccurate, and some of it is whitewashed, and some of it is, you know, presented in a specific light. I don't know. It's difficult to get proper perspective or be able to teach the. They should know what happened.
David Roman [00:50:28]:
They should know the details. We watched Schindler's List as a kid. I think it was in seventh grade. They played it for everybody. Parents could sign and say, I don't want my kid watching that, because there were some nude scenes, but not just the Holocaust nude scenes. They were some sexual activity, but they played it for everybody to watch because they thought it was important. You should know about this. But, you know, I don't know.
David Roman [00:51:06]:
It really falls on the parents. It falls on the parents. You got to teach your kid.
Lucas Underwood [00:51:09]:
I mean, I think that is something that I have watched play out in our. You know, because, you know, the story about my daughter and the guidance counselor and all that, well, one of the things that I think about when we look at that and pay attention to the other kids in the school, well, that's what their parents are asking for. They're asking them to let them do whatever they want and not to enforce the rules. And why is it that my kid has to have the rules enforced on them? That's not fair. I don't like that. Right. I want it to. I want it to be fair.
Lucas Underwood [00:51:42]:
I want it to be fair. Well, life's not fair, Right? And teaching them that life's fair and that they should just complain to somebody until they get what they want. And like, I was thinking about this the other day, right? Think about your shops and think about the way that people come in and act like because they're upset you should have to change everything and you should have to stop what you're doing. And just because they come in and want to yell about something, that that somehow means that. And they don't have to take into account your perspective. They don't have to take into account the things you, hey, I've set these policies in place for my shop, right. They don't think they have to abide by that. And so there's so much of society that's like that now, right? I'll just show up to a restaurant and bitch about the food to get a discount.
David Roman [00:52:29]:
Right.
Jacob Wierengo [00:52:29]:
And unfortunately, the easiest thing is to give into it. Yeah, the easiest thing is to say, oh, yeah, I mean, my technician's in the middle of this other job. But of course we'll go out and we'll look at your problem because you're the squeaky wheel. You're the problem. You're the noises.
Lucas Underwood [00:52:44]:
That's what you do. And you've taught them that if they complain, they get their way.
Jacob Wierengo [00:52:48]:
Yep.
Lucas Underwood [00:52:49]:
And it turns into a damn thing. And I don't know, I think that that's what we've done with society. And I don't think you fix it.
David Roman [00:52:57]:
Can I put bad Google reviews? I have several, trust me, I have several that are just. We didn't, we didn't accommodate them exactly how they wanted to be accommodated. I've got one that I responded with a snarky response like, dude, like, no, we did right by you. You were being unreasonable. Sorry.
Jacob Wierengo [00:53:19]:
We had a customer who didn't answer their phone. We called them for like three days straight, never answered every time we called them, picked up his vehicle, everyone was fine, Left us a two star review. They did really good work, but they didn't communicate at All Okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:53:37]:
You can't make some people happy. No, you just can't make some people.
David Roman [00:53:40]:
I got a. I got a guy in my B and I group and so are you in B and I?
Jacob Wierengo [00:53:46]:
No, there's somebody else in my town who's in it. There's only one. So.
David Roman [00:53:49]:
Yeah, start another one.
Jacob Wierengo [00:53:51]:
You can start one all by myself?
David Roman [00:53:53]:
Yeah, you start one and then you go recruit for. Because there's more than one realtor. There's more than one plumber. There's more than one electrician. There's more than one. You know what I'm saying? Then you can just go start one. Anyway, he's like, I may be in my town. There's like seven is what I'm telling you.
David Roman [00:54:08]:
Like, just go start one. Okay. It's this guy in my B and I group. He comes and drops the truck off and he's like, hey, I want the transmission fluid done. I want oil change and my lights fixed. And wipers policy is we quote it out, we send it, they approve, then we do the work. Because everybody needs to be on the same page how much this is going to be. Well, this is some weird Ford transmission that's going to be like 500 bucks to do the fluid.
David Roman [00:54:36]:
Okay. Now I'm sure in his mind he's thinking, that's fluid flush. It's 180 bucks because that's what it is at Walmart or whatever. Right. It's 500 to do this transmission fluid. So we're off. We're texting, texting, calling, texting, texting. He comes to pick up, and my shop manager is calling me, going, hey, what do you want me to do with this? He's like, he's in your bni.
David Roman [00:55:02]:
Like, what do you want me to do? Like, just through the oil change, through the wipers, through the light bulbs. All cheap stuff.
Jacob Wierengo [00:55:07]:
Yep.
David Roman [00:55:08]:
We don't even charge to install bulbs and wipers. We charge.
Lucas Underwood [00:55:11]:
Yeah.
David Roman [00:55:12]:
Which, like a little 30% markup on those parts and sell it. And I said, just do the oil change. And then when he comes in, explain to him what happened. Well, he doesn't show up. We can't get ahold of him. It's, I think over Labor Day. We end up. He wanted the vehicle by the end of the day, isn't answering us.
David Roman [00:55:34]:
It isn't nothing. The shop manager just ends up texting him, going, this is the code to get the keys. He's like, do you want me to just leave it outside? Just throw the keys, lock it away. I see him every week. He's not gonna skip out on payment. Well, he ended up skipping out on payment for, like, two weeks. He didn't pay me in calls. And he's like, why didn't you guys do the transmission? Like, dude, we were calling you.
David Roman [00:56:02]:
You needed to prove it. Like, why weren't you picking. Like, yeah, we don't just do it. Yeah, but I told you to do it. But you didn't know what the price was. We gotta. We gotta get your approval on the price here. Well, next time I tell you to do something, just go do it.
David Roman [00:56:16]:
You guys weren't trying to call me? I don't know. We called his office. We called. The guy was just like. He had made up something. And I went back and verified. I'm like, what did we do? We didn't do everything, right? Like, we didn't explain. We weren't explicit about the process at the beginning.
David Roman [00:56:32]:
Yeah, we weren't explicit. Like, you gotta tell them what the steps are. If you don't, don't expect them to know. This is the first time here. But the guy had, like, built this narrative in his head. He comes in to pick up the vehicle, and he's asking. He's like, because he never. We locked his keys in the thing.
David Roman [00:56:54]:
He picked up his. He never came. He never came to pick up his vehicle. He ends up coming over the weekend, left the vehicle, sitting at the shop, comes to pick it up. He comes in, talks to the shop manager, and he's like, I don't understand why you didn't do the transmission. He's like, where's David? I had pulled the muscle in my calf. I wasn't walking. And so Juan tells him.
David Roman [00:57:18]:
He's like, oh, he pulled the calf muscle. And he's like, he's at home. He's. He's not doing well. Somehow. He thought I said he. He thought I had pulled a back muscle. He's a chiropractor, so he's like, hey, I heard you had a back problem.
David Roman [00:57:31]:
What? Like, I didn't have a back problem.
Lucas Underwood [00:57:34]:
Oh, no.
David Roman [00:57:35]:
And he's like, oh, well, why would your shop manager tell me that? I don't know, dude. I got rid of my back problems. I don't have back problems anymore. And he's like, huh? I'm like, are you sure that's what he said? Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that's exactly what he said. I don't know why he would tell me that. I'm like, juan, why'd you tell him about the back problem. He's like, dude, I didn't tell him about the back problem.
David Roman [00:58:00]:
That guy here was what he wants to hear. This guy hears every third word and then fills in the rest. What do you do with somebody like that?
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:09]:
Interesting. How'd you fix your back problems? Like, all of them.
David Roman [00:58:13]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:13]:
What'd you do?
David Roman [00:58:14]:
I'll tell you.
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:15]:
We talk about secret.
David Roman [00:58:16]:
No, no.
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:17]:
Okay.
David Roman [00:58:17]:
It's like, it'll. It'll put me on a tangent. Oh, you know, Right.
Lucas Underwood [00:58:21]:
Yeah. Oh, tangent. I.
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:24]:
He can say, I think he lost tangents.
Lucas Underwood [00:58:26]:
I do, too. I think he lost weight. Was.
David Roman [00:58:28]:
I know. Oh, I fixed it before that.
Lucas Underwood [00:58:30]:
Did you?
David Roman [00:58:31]:
Yeah. Full weight. I had him fixed. He's got back problems.
Lucas Underwood [00:58:36]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [00:58:36]:
My wife has back problems.
David Roman [00:58:37]:
Does she? Yep. The Romanian deadlifts. That's what you do. That's it. Romanian deadlifts. Every day. Every day. Start light, good form.
David Roman [00:58:48]:
Hinge at the hips, move back. Engage the core. Hinge at the hips, move back. Keep your legs fairly straight. There's a little bit of bend at the knee. Go all the way down. Full range of motion. Full range of motion.
David Roman [00:59:02]:
What a good stretch on the. On the hamstrings.
Jacob Wierengo [00:59:04]:
Okay.
David Roman [00:59:05]:
Back problems are typically overcompensation from the back muscles for something else that's not working.
Jacob Wierengo [00:59:12]:
She had a bulged disc from falling off a ladder.
David Roman [00:59:16]:
Well, yeah, if there's. As long as there isn't something structurally wrong. But even then, yeah, a lot of times. Well, yeah, a lot of times you have incredibly weak muscles along the spine because there's muscles that run up and down the spine that keep everything balanced, keep you from wobbling. Right. And then, especially for the lower back, hips and hamstring muscles are usually way underdeveloped. And because they're underdeveloped, anytime you do something, your back muscles, which are not meant to hold a lot of weight or do a lot of actual strenuous activity, ends up overcompensating for something else that isn't doing its job. So Romanian deadlifts.
David Roman [01:00:10]:
Absolutely fixed. Because just in doing them, you go light and then you progressively overload. So you want to do a full stretch, full regimen. So you want to do like 3 to 6 ish sets, 8 to 12 reps. Once you get to 12, that you can do, easily move up in weight, and you just keep progress until they get heavier and heavier and heavier. And all of a sudden you develop your hamstring muscles. Glutes, hips. Those are now working.
David Roman [01:00:45]:
Your back's no longer doing the work. And Your back stops hurting. The other thing, too, is farmers carries. So kettlebell. It can be a dumbbell, too. Just something heavy on just one side.
Jacob Wierengo [01:00:58]:
Pail of goat's milk.
David Roman [01:00:59]:
Yeah. Pick it up, go walk, and then put it down. That balancing act that specifically. A lot of people, like most people do it for obliques. And that's if you want, like, huge, muscular obliques. But the other thing it does is it fixes the. See, he's completely disinterested. He's like, I'm not doing any of that.
David Roman [01:01:20]:
I just want to get a pill. Anyway, it'll strengthen the muscles, the spinal erectus muscles, the ones that run up and down the back. It will strengthen those particular muscles because it's trying to keep you upright while you're holding something really heavy on just one side.
Jacob Wierengo [01:01:43]:
I'm just gonna start carrying brake rotors.
David Roman [01:01:45]:
They're not heavy enough.
Jacob Wierengo [01:01:47]:
Two of them.
David Roman [01:01:48]:
No. You're a big boy. You need. You need something heavier. I need 60, 70 pounds. You know, you pick up something heavy, it's got to be challenging. Like, if you're not. If you're not breathing heavy by the end of the walk, you're not.
David Roman [01:02:02]:
It's not heavy enough.
Jacob Wierengo [01:02:04]:
Listen, I breathe heavy up about four stairs.
David Roman [01:02:09]:
Yeah, but this isn't. This isn't really aerobic. It's just you're picking something heavy by the time you're halfway done through your walk, like, it's strenuous activity. And then you put it down and then pick up the other side and go back. That will fix your back problems. I promise. I promise it will.
Lucas Underwood [01:02:29]:
I'm gonna do it just to see.
David Roman [01:02:30]:
I'm telling you, you should have done it two years ago when I told you about it.
Jacob Wierengo [01:02:34]:
You know how many technicians have back pain of some sort, and they just work through it all the time? If they would all start doing something.
David Roman [01:02:41]:
Like that, I'm telling you, it'll fix it.
Jacob Wierengo [01:02:43]:
See?
David Roman [01:02:43]:
It'll fix it.
Jacob Wierengo [01:02:44]:
Your tangent is going to improve a lot of lives there.
David Roman [01:02:46]:
I don't know. Then you know what? I wish that were true, because I'm telling you, like, here's what would happen to me. I would. I have a freezer door on the bottom of my fridge. So when it's ice cream time, fat boy wants his ice cream. So you get under there. I would open the freezer door, reach down for the tub of ice cream, and just swing him back up. I would throw my back out.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:12]:
Wow.
David Roman [01:03:12]:
Yeah. I wasn't picking anything up. It was like, oh, I'm gonna Lift this thing, heavy in this transmission, off this ground and jack ram it into this Dodge pickup truck in the middle of the night. That wasn't me. I was just picking up ice cream, and I would throw my back out, and I couldn't walk for two weeks.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:26]:
Yeah.
Jacob Wierengo [01:03:26]:
I've put more than one transmission in. Laying on my back.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:29]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:03:32]:
That'S how he messed up his back.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:34]:
No, I messed up my back when I twisted when a truck fell off a Jackson.
David Roman [01:03:38]:
Oh, that's right. Putting a transmission in it.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:40]:
No, putting. Trying to put the nut on a ball joint. Had a pry bar in between the upper and lower control arm, and I lifted up with my knee. I guess I just put enough on it that it, like, somehow caused the jack stand to, like, pop.
Jacob Wierengo [01:03:53]:
I know exactly what motion you're talking about.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:55]:
Yeah. And so I, like, went down like that.
Jacob Wierengo [01:03:57]:
Mm.
Lucas Underwood [01:03:59]:
And here's the thing is, like, I'm not. I'm not going to deny that what you're saying might help. I went through physical therapy, and he had me do lifts and stretches and all that stuff, Right?
David Roman [01:04:08]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [01:04:09]:
But he, at the end of physical therapy, said, hey, I am really concerned that there's something in the lower spine that is not right. There's something that feels funny in it. There's something that, like, you respond really abnormally when we work in this area. I don't think you should keep doing this. I think you should go get an mri. And so I have been. Okay. No, I've not really been trying.
Lucas Underwood [01:04:31]:
No, never mind.
David Roman [01:04:32]:
You haven't been trying. Here's the other thing that often ends up happening is it's hypertension, too. So just excessive stress. The whole book. I read it.
Lucas Underwood [01:04:41]:
I'm not stressed.
Jacob Wierengo [01:04:42]:
We're shop owners. We don't have stress.
Lucas Underwood [01:04:44]:
Yeah, there's no.
David Roman [01:04:44]:
So another shop owner, name is Kyle Logue. He stopped being a shop owner. He was. He. That dude is jacked.
Lucas Underwood [01:04:52]:
I am so. You're making me feel like such an asshole. He messaged me the other day, and I've never replied back. Like, I told him I'd reach out. I know.
David Roman [01:04:59]:
Anyway, he can do. He can do handstand, like, presses. So he will flip up on his. Like, a handstand and then do presses. It's. It's impressive.
Jacob Wierengo [01:05:14]:
That is impressive.
David Roman [01:05:14]:
Let me tell you.
Jacob Wierengo [01:05:15]:
I can't do that in a pool.
David Roman [01:05:17]:
Let me tell you. That is some upper body strength to be able to do that. Anyway, he can do those. So a guy like that, you would think probably shouldn't be having back problems. But he had. He had back problems where he would be bedridden for weeks. Weeks, not days. Weeks.
David Roman [01:05:35]:
He could not move. And he fixed it. It was hypertension. It was just like back in the 80s. It was ulcers. People would get ulcers from excessive stress. Ulcers are not a thing anymore. It's not nearly as bad now.
David Roman [01:05:49]:
It's back problems. People have back problems when they have excessive stress.
Jacob Wierengo [01:05:53]:
Do you think it's a dietary change that caused that shift?
David Roman [01:05:57]:
Maybe. No, maybe. Maybe it was just a.
Jacob Wierengo [01:06:01]:
The nature of stress didn't change. Right.
David Roman [01:06:04]:
The nature of stress, but the manifestation of the stress. I think, if I recall, I have to look up the name of the book, but the guy explained it and said, I think there was maybe a social stigma to ulcers. I can't remember exactly. He did attribute the shift that it was that they were able to rectify the ulcer issues in the 80s, but the stress levels didn't diminish. They were just starting to show up somewhere else.
Jacob Wierengo [01:06:38]:
Interesting.
David Roman [01:06:38]:
And he attributed it to back pain. Because a medical doctor, obviously, and he was treating people by. They would come in with back pain and then he would start digging into it and he'd find out that I'm going through a divorce or I got this problem here at work, or I got this. And they would work to fix that with some strength training, would fix the problem. It would go away.
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:02]:
I'm working on a North Star.
David Roman [01:07:04]:
I'm not starting on a thing anymore.
Lucas Underwood [01:07:06]:
Dear. I don't know.
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:07]:
We got a couple. We got, like two of them that people, for whatever reason, want to keep alive.
David Roman [01:07:13]:
Really?
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:13]:
Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [01:07:15]:
You had them checked for mental issues?
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:17]:
Oh, they have them, yeah.
David Roman [01:07:21]:
I don't know there's anything as difficult to work on as some of those old Cadillacs now still on the road. Minis.
Lucas Underwood [01:07:31]:
Minis.
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:31]:
No, I mean, you see some ridiculous engineering stuff. Like you get into an N63 or something, you're like. They put the turbos in the middle and there's 10,000 different plastic pipes going all different directions. Yeah. It's really complex, but it makes sense. And then you look at the North Star and the Yo.
David Roman [01:07:47]:
Yeah. No, that was.
Jacob Wierengo [01:07:48]:
Why, the exhaust pipe there, that was.
David Roman [01:07:52]:
You can always tell when you look at it and you go, huh? And that's because. Oh, well, if I were manufacturing the car, that would make sense, because this would allow me to put it together over here, ship it to this other plant and then dump it into the car and then out the door it goes. But I don't like that. Well, at no point anybody goes, hey, we have to service these shit. Shit boxes. We have to be able to fix them. No, that's not gonna be a problem. They won't break.
David Roman [01:08:18]:
Am I boring you? Are you feeling bad?
Lucas Underwood [01:08:23]:
Why would you think that?
David Roman [01:08:27]:
Anyway, the other thing I discovered is a nootropic. You spray it into your nose, each nostril, once a night, five times a week.
Lucas Underwood [01:08:36]:
One day we find out that it was actually meth. He just had no idea. We run into David. His cheeks are all sunk back.
Jacob Wierengo [01:08:45]:
That's how the opioid addiction started, though. It's just, hey, this helps your pain. Just take this. Just take this. Now it's nootropics. It's actually. It's LSD or something. LSD or meth?
Lucas Underwood [01:08:55]:
Did you imagine David on a trip? Could you imagine that?
David Roman [01:08:59]:
I don't.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:00]:
Well, I'm I'm just saying, like, one day when, you know, you see something crazy happen on the podcast, just know.
Jacob Wierengo [01:09:06]:
That he took two sprays of nootropics instead of one.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:10]:
Hey, David, eat this.
David Roman [01:09:12]:
One in each nostril. It's two sprays enough.
Jacob Wierengo [01:09:14]:
Two in each nostril instead of one in each nostril.
David Roman [01:09:16]:
It's very calm. You do it right before bed. It's very calming. You got a great night's sleep. It's fantastic. You wake up. If you wake up and you've slept.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:25]:
The whole night, if you wake up.
David Roman [01:09:27]:
If you wake up after a good night's sleep, you feel relaxed. You're like. It lowers stress. It does.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:35]:
If you wake up.
David Roman [01:09:37]:
Listen, you can keep ignoring me. I'm just telling you there's solutions to your problems. You can keep ignoring them going.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:42]:
No, I didn't say there wasn't solutions to my problems.
David Roman [01:09:46]:
He did get his blood work, so I'm proud of him about that.
Jacob Wierengo [01:09:49]:
Good for you.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:50]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:09:51]:
Step one, coach, blood work. Then we'll figure out what we need to do.
Jacob Wierengo [01:09:55]:
I got my blood work done, and they told me I eat too much steak. And that's when I lost all faith in doctors.
Lucas Underwood [01:10:00]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:10:02]:
Or cheesesteak. What, they told you to cut out? What. What marker did they tell you?
Jacob Wierengo [01:10:07]:
Triglycerides.
David Roman [01:10:09]:
We were high.
Jacob Wierengo [01:10:10]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:10:10]:
Where was your ldl?
Jacob Wierengo [01:10:14]:
It's cholesterol. Right, Cholesterol. One of them was high, too.
David Roman [01:10:18]:
Well, yeah, you should pull them up. So a lot of times you gotta look at the ratios. So your triglycerides might be a little high, but that's gonna be attributed to red meat, folks. That's not A red meat.
Lucas Underwood [01:10:28]:
Folks just need to put a disclaimer in here that David is not a doctor and you should not take any medical advice from David.
David Roman [01:10:33]:
Yeah, don't take any medical advice from me. But I'm just saying if your doctor's telling you to stay off red meat, you're wrong.
Jacob Wierengo [01:10:40]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:10:43]:
Red meat, really? What's that?
Jacob Wierengo [01:10:45]:
Time to get a different doctor.
David Roman [01:10:47]:
He's wrong. But, you know, if you're like, well, I am having french fries on top of that steak. It's like, okay, well, stop eating the french fries or just eat the potatoes roasted and make them, like, a very small part of the meal.
Jacob Wierengo [01:11:03]:
I did keto for a while and I lost a ton of weight.
David Roman [01:11:07]:
Keto is unsustainable.
Jacob Wierengo [01:11:08]:
Yep.
David Roman [01:11:09]:
Sorry, keto, folks.
Lucas Underwood [01:11:10]:
Yeah, I know, I know.
Jacob Wierengo [01:11:12]:
Like, I want to. I want to do it again just because I know I can drop weight, but then I know it's just going to come out.
Lucas Underwood [01:11:16]:
Here's the thing is that it's a lot harder the second time you go back.
David Roman [01:11:19]:
Yeah. Damn near impossible, especially once you have kids.
Lucas Underwood [01:11:23]:
Yeah, that. That was a big thing.
Jacob Wierengo [01:11:24]:
I want Mac and cheese. All right. I don't feel like cooking something else for myself, so I guess I'll have Mac and cheese, too.
Lucas Underwood [01:11:29]:
Yeah, I, you know, a. I got the kidney stones from keto. And then after that, like, life happened and we had a kid and I stopped exercising, I stopped doing all those things. Right.
David Roman [01:11:39]:
And then you were eating keto wrong. What the hell were you eating on keto? Why would you get kidney stones from keto?
Lucas Underwood [01:11:46]:
I was, I was extremely strict on.
David Roman [01:11:49]:
What, though, what were you eating? What was the majority of your diet?
Lucas Underwood [01:11:53]:
The issue with the. I mean, it was vegetables and it was steak and it was butter, and it was like. I was extremely, extremely aggressive with it. I think the biggest problem was is I was not drinking enough water. I was drinking a lot of water. I was not drinking it.
David Roman [01:12:09]:
Yeah, it is diuretic. Like, you pee a lot. And so the problem with people mistake keto for, like, all meat. It's like, no, no, no. That's carnivore. But keto is high fat. That should be the majority of your diet. It's 70% fat.
David Roman [01:12:25]:
So you're eating. Yeah. You're eating a small piece of meat because it's moderate to low protein. So it's a small piece of fatty meat with a stick of butter on top. That's what you're eating.
Jacob Wierengo [01:12:37]:
I just took a butter for a week, too.
David Roman [01:12:39]:
For a week?
Jacob Wierengo [01:12:41]:
No, that's all the further I made, I was like, I need cheese. That was it for me. Well, I was literally bacon and then putting a steak on top of the bacon and some chicken on the side, and I was like, yeah, this is. This is great. This is awesome. Yeah, no, it was. It was the cheese that did me, and I needed cheese.
Lucas Underwood [01:13:01]:
You know what's weird is that the only reason I still eat the way I eat because I'm primarily low carb. Like, we'll eat when we're out and about. Like, I'll eat whatever. I feel like garbage when I eat carbs.
Jacob Wierengo [01:13:13]:
Yeah, me too.
Lucas Underwood [01:13:13]:
I mean, like, hot garbage. Dude.
David Roman [01:13:15]:
There's probably something there. I'm just telling you.
Lucas Underwood [01:13:17]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:13:22]:
No. You don't think so?
Lucas Underwood [01:13:24]:
Maybe. I don't know.
David Roman [01:13:25]:
I don't know either.
Lucas Underwood [01:13:26]:
Maybe. Possibly.
David Roman [01:13:28]:
I don't feel as bad now. When I first started dieting, if I did eat a lot of carbs, I would feel sick. Now I can eat a car. Like, I'll eat that piece of cheesesteak like I did at that Brazilian restaurant, and I'm perfectly fine. Like, it doesn't bother me at all, at all. I just know not. Like, I know not to eat it. Yeah, just stay away from all of it.
David Roman [01:13:57]:
Because if I get on it and I start eating that bread with the butter, it's like, oh, man.
Lucas Underwood [01:14:03]:
Oh, man. Okay, then.
